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Mirza Halilovic



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Victoria, Australia

PostPosted: Wed 19 Dec, 2018 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.centrecom.com.au/asus-tuf-gaming-fx504ge-156-fhd-ips-intel-core-i7-laptop

Any thoughts on this laptop?

Preferrably id pay cheaper but im guessing this is sort of the minimum specs youd want for 12d and AutoCad to run nice and smoothly?

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paul hardwick



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PostPosted: Wed 19 Dec, 2018 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not an amazing laptop with only 16G RAM but for the price it's not too bad.
It all depends on what you're try to process. (Point clouds)?
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Matthew Monk



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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul hardwick wrote:
It's not an amazing laptop with only 16G RAM but for the price it's not too bad.
I think that's a bit unfair. 16 GB of RAM is plenty for most cases, unless you're dealing with large datasets (250M "Bigfoot" version sized datasets). Besides which, the RAM is one of the few things that is upgradeable in that laptop, should more memory be needed in the future.

paul hardwick wrote:
It all depends on what you're try to process. (Point clouds)?
This I agree with. It depends.

@Mirza, can you provide more info about what sort of work you do and how you use 12d Model?
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Mirza Halilovic



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PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be your general road & drainage designs, for larg-er datasets nothing too crazy. Maybe 100lot subdivisions etc
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Nick Feeley



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Victoria, Australia

PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2019 1:10 pm    Post subject: Laptops - MS Surface Book 2 Reply with quote

Hi All,
This is probably a thread that will continue on for an eternity while everything else advances.

At the end of last year, I thought(First mistake) I was being smart and tried to get 2 things out of one (laptop + tablet). I purchased the SB2 15". Looks great, smells great... until you start to look at the results (and what you can't purchase because its the 15" model). Evil or Very Mad

With respect to 12d, I've found that having text on slows the refresh rate to the point that there can be a major lag. Switch the text off and its considerably better. If I import data from another (Points based) package the further I zoom out the slower the update/refresh. When you're panning around and zooming in and out, it becomes a complete nightmare.

Q1
is/are ( and please except that my computer knowledge these days extends to, switch on switch off) there any setting I should look at in 12D to try and speed up this process or anything in Win10 I should look at?

Q2
Considering that I may need to have a ceremonial burning of the SB2 (and put it to an experience I wish I didn't need to purchase), Can anybody suggest a laptop that has superpowers to deal with the above 12d requirements and be able to run multiple external displays.

any and all comments are welcome.... be nice though

Thanks in advance
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Seb Woodland



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Queensland, Australia

PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick,

On Question1:

Try Drawing Density, explained in the below post by Graeme and in the Video by Alan.

https://forums.12dmodel.com/viewtopic.php?p=50606

https://forums.12dmodel.com/viewtopic.php?t=7783

Question 2:

See the comments here on specs for a PC.

https://forums.12dmodel.com/viewtopic.php?t=11444
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Nick Feeley



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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan, 2019 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb,

Thanks for that. Changed the drawing engine and I've noticed a difference already. Laughing

Now to mash out the specs side of things..
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Sam Cech



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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2019 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

text strings can cause performance issues, I often toggle text off, zoom in and toggle it back on, same with rasters, toggle saves me a lot, wonder if there would be a shortcut function key for it?

I got the SB i7 performance model and works alright
but
there are couple of settings I have changed to make sure it is working better

below are some steps I copied from other posts, perhaps these will improve things for you.

Also, some hardware compatibility I found, if you are using an external 4K monitor you will need an 'active' adapter or cable, the one that normally comes with it is a passive one and make the entire thing go like a dog. it also requires a log off/on each time you plug monitor/projector in.

if your model has the Nvidia card, force it to use it, Windows often switches back to the intel one and it doesn't work that well.


Sam Cech wrote:

some cards with Win10 have an app switching issue when by default windows has 'auto' setting if to use GPU and sometimes it delays responses from the OS to any app, I had slow issues with Outlook or all things

for Nvidia the settings are:
Code:
In the NVIDIA Control Panel under Manage 3D settings branch on Global Settings tab
Set the Preferred graphics processor to High-performance NIVIA processor
and
Set physX configuration to NVIDIA as well


that will force the use of the GPU and windows will stop interfering




paul hardwick wrote:


These images are the steps to follow for those using 4k screens

Step 1.
Right mouse button on desktop shortcut => Properties

Step 2.


Step 3.



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Sam Cech



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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2019 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, and don't use a docking station, just came from an office sitting next to a user who had their laptop going via a Docking Station
it worked ok in the morning (we did lots of OpenGL 3d view stuff, modelling height restrictions) and it just stopped working.

Troubleshooting it for ages, found that only one monitor would allow OpenGL at a time, all others did not.
We could swap which one it was by making it the primary but could not have two at the same time. Some docking station restriction I think.
We managed to get 4 monitors plugged in, but only the one would have OpenGL. There was also a noticeable performance difference on the other monitors. Since it worked all morning and only stopped after smoko I was trying to find some setting to change it but had no luck with it... ended up working on just the one external monitor for the rest of the day.

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Blake Gregory



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PostPosted: Fri 18 Jan, 2019 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam,
That could be because all Laptops have a MAXIMUM screen output via descrete GPUs, and via Onboad GPU's.

Overall if you can get a desktop, its going to be better then a laptop.
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